這問題最好的例子 就勇士前隊友Kevin Durant啊 他那兩冠 被酸報腿、搭便車、格林公式閉環 能有多難聽就有多難聽 但是當一要排歷史排名時 硬是因為有那兩冠 基本就能排在10～15名 不會因為沒有戒指 被踢到後面25～40名去 跟飛天豬、馬龍、老史、Nash坐同桌 而這些沒有戒指的“偉大”球員 隨著時間過去，人數越來越多 還會慢慢被往後踢勒 偉大是形容詞沒辦法排序的 但戒指有一顆就是有一顆 有兩顆就是有兩顆 6>4...ok??? 戒指重不重要 哪個球員心裡不清楚 都跟明鏡一樣好嗎... ※ 引述《kakala99 (Fernando Torres #9)》之銘言： : Green and his podcast co-host Baron Davis discussed James' comments on the : latest episode of "The Draymond Green Show with Baron Davis," where Davis : initially said he "definitely" agrees with James. : And while Green does as well, he shared a more thought-out response with a : big-picture perspective. : 在最新一集《The Draymond Green Show with Baron Davis》播客中，Green與共同主持 : 人Baron Davis討論了James的這番話，Davis先表示，他「絕對」認同James的看法。 : Green雖然也表示贊同，但他補充了一段更深層視角的觀點： : "I think ring culture took a big turn and came into play in large part due to : the success of the Golden State Warriors. What Bron was saying is that you : get guys like Stephen A. [Smith], and to me it felt like Stephen A. is : someone who talks a lot about rings, and you don't know what it takes to win : a ring because you've never won a ring. You don't understand because you've : never gone through it. And because you don't know how hard it is because : you've never gone through it, then you start using it to lessen the greatness : of some of the greats. : 「我認為所謂的『戒指文化』之所以出現並成為主流，在很大程度上與金州勇士的成功有 : 關。LeBron想表達的是，你會看到像Stephen A. Smith這樣的媒體人整天把總冠軍戒指掛 : 在嘴邊，他們常以戒指來衡量球員價值，但他們根本不知道贏得一枚冠軍戒有多難，因為 : 他們從來沒有親身經歷過，正因為你不清楚這有多艱難，你就會開始用戒指來貶低某些偉 : 大球員的成就。」 : "Is having a ring important? Of course. Does it add to legacies? Does it : stamp legacies? Absolutely. I'm not going to sit here and act like having a : ring or rings doesn't matter. It does matter. But it doesn't make [Charles] : Barkley less great than he was. It doesn't make Allen Iverson less great. I : think when people use it, they use it to dim the greatness, dim the light on : guys. And that's what I felt like Bron was getting at." To Green's point, : both Barkley and Iverson are Naismith Basketball Hall of Famers, 11-time NBA : All-Stars and one-time league MVPs. : 「冠軍戒重要嗎？當然重要。它能為傳奇生涯加分嗎？能鞏固歷史地位嗎？毫無疑問絕對 : 能，我不會坐在這裡裝作戒指不重要的樣子，但這不代表Barkley就不夠偉大，也不代表 : Allen Iverson的偉大會因此減少。我覺得有些人用戒指去貶低那些未曾奪冠球星的成就 : ，而這正是我覺得LeBron想表達的重點。」 : In more recent times, players such as James Harden, Russell Westbrook and -- : probably more than anyone --Chris Paul, have been scrutinized for never : getting over that hump of winning a championship. : "CP and James Harden, if they don't run into us [the Warriors], they probably : do win a championship," Green said. "Sometimes, that's just how the cookie : crumbles. But that don't mean those guys aren't great. That don't mean Chris : Paul isn't a winner. Chris Paul is a winner. There's so many things that have : to go right for you to win a championship. : "So to just lessen someone's greatness because of it, I think that's wrong. : Again, I'm not saying that having the rings don't matter. When I walk in a : room, I feel great about the four rings I have. But that does not lessen : someone else's greatness." : 而近年來，包括James Harden、Russell Westbrook，甚至最常被提及的Chris Paul等球 : 員，也因未能奪冠而飽受質疑。 : Green表示：「如果CP和Harden當年沒遇上我們，他們或許真的能贏下總冠軍。有時候成敗 : 就是差在這一點運氣。但這不代表這些人不偉大，更不代表Chris Paul不是贏家，他絕對 : 是個贏家。要贏得總冠軍，需要太多因素完美配合。」 : 「所以僅僅因為某人沒有奪冠就貶低他們的偉大，我認為是錯誤的。再次強調，我不是說 : 戒指不重要，當我走進房間時，我對自己的四枚冠軍戒非常自豪，但這並不會讓其他人的 : 偉大因此被抹煞。」 : "There are more great players than great players that won rings," Davis said, : as Green agreed. "There are more great players who haven't won rings than : great players that have won rings. That's the way we got to look at it." : Davis接著說：「沒拿過冠軍的偉大球員，遠比拿過冠軍的偉大球員還要多。」 : Green也表示認同：「歷史上偉大卻未曾奪冠的球員比那些擁有冠軍戒的偉大球員還要多 : 。我們該以這樣的角度來看待這件事。」 : 來源:https://reurl.cc/0K72Lb : 嘴綠的觀點很中肯 ----- Sent from JPTT on my Xiaomi 23090RA98G. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 1.175.0.222 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://webptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1750493888.A.B3B.html ※ 編輯: pujos (1.175.0.222 臺灣), 06/21/2025 16:18:39