蠻特別的是紅襪打者好像不太買帳Driveline
https://reurl.cc/Z2lNKV
Under Bloom and Breslow, however, the philosophy shifted. With a greater emphasi
s on metrics, roster flexibility, depth and matchups, the organization moved tow
ard a more measured, process-driven approach, one that also coincided with a red
uced appetite for spending.
在Bloom與Breslow的領導下,球隊的理念出現轉變,更加重視數據、名單靈活性、深度與對
戰策略,組織逐漸走向更審慎、以流程為導向的運作方式,同時也伴隨著支出意願的降低
That left Cora frustrated, sometimes using his phrase "the roster is the roster"
during press conferences to signal his dissatisfaction.
這讓 Alex Cora 感到挫折,他有時在記者會上用「名單就是名單」這句話來表達自己的不
滿
Instead of relying on established stars at set positions, Cora was tasked with m
aximizing the entire roster, one he felt at times was either too young, lacked t
alent or both.
不同於依賴固定位置上的成熟球星,Cora被要求最大化整體名單的價值,而他有時認為這套
陣容過於年輕、缺乏天賦,或兩者兼具
Consider the last couple of years, for example.
以過去幾年為例
The front office was bullish on former Red Sox infielder David Hamilton during h
is time with the club, believing his speed, defensive versatility, overall athle
ticism and underlying metrics made him a clear asset.
紅襪管理層在David Hamilton效力紅襪期間對他評價相當正面,認為他的速度、防守多功能
性、整體運動能力以及進階數據,都讓他成為明確的資產
Perhaps even more so than Story, a former All-Star in the latter stages of his c
areer.
甚至在某種程度上,他們對他的看好程度可能還超過生涯後期的前全明星球員 Trevor Stor
y
But some on the coaching staff viewed Hamilton as a flawed player, one with tool
s but lacking feel for the game. Internally, there was a belief he could develop
into an everyday player, though questions remained about whether that would hap
pen in Boston.
但教練團中有些人認為Hamilton是一名有缺陷的球員,雖然具備工具,但缺乏比賽感覺,內
部普遍認為他有機會成長為日常先發球員,但是否能在波士頓實現仍存疑
The front office, though still confident in Hamilton, traded him to the Brewers
during the offseason. When he returned this month and played well against the Re
d Sox, the front office again began questioning the coaching staff's development
al process with younger players.
儘管管理層仍對Hamilton有信心,球隊在休賽季還是將他交易至釀酒人,本月他回來對戰紅
襪並表現出色後,管理層再次開始質疑教練團在培養年輕球員方面的流程
"Why do a lot of players go to other places and get better?" one source said of
the questions being asked. "Why do other guys come here and get worse?"
「為什麼很多球員去了其他地方後會變得更好?」一位消息人士談到內部提出的疑問時表示
「為什麼有些球員來到這裡反而變差?」
From the front office perspective, the program lacked structure and was not cond
ucive to consistent player development.
從管理層的角度來看,整個培養體系缺乏結構,無法有效促進球員穩定成長
That, however, was disputed by others familiar with the situation, who pointed t
o the development of Romy Gonzalez, Rob Refsnyder and Jarren Duran, among others
.
不過熟悉內情的其他人士對此說法提出反駁,並指出Romy Gonzalez、Rob Refsnyder以及Ja
rren Duran等人的成長案例
"We've gotten the most out of guys," the person said. "Players leave here and ge
t paid."
「我們已經把球員的潛力發揮到最大」該人士表示
「球員離開這裡之後還能拿到大合約」
After nearly being out of the league entering 2022, Refsnyder signed a one-year,
$6.25 million deal with Seattle for 2026.
在2022年球季開始前幾乎無球可打的 Rob Refsnyder,如今已與西雅圖簽下2026年一年625
萬美元的合約
A growing disconnect
逐漸擴大的分歧
The disconnect on the field circles back to Story.
場上的分歧問題,最終又回到 Trevor Story身上
There were those in the organization who believed Story was past his prime and n
o longer capable of being an everyday impact player.
球團內部有些人認為Story已過巔峰期,不再具備成為每日先發、具影響力球員的能力
Even in a 2025 season in which Story started slow but finished with 25 home runs
and 96 RBIs, the front office was not fully convinced, pointing to underlying m
etrics that suggested the production was not sustainable.
即使在2025球季,Story開季低迷但最終繳出25轟、96分打點的成績,管理層仍未完全信服
,並指出其進階數據顯示這樣的產出難以持續
Alex Cora initially used Trevor Story in the No. 2 spot in the lineup this seaso
n. Getty Images
本季一開始,Alex Cora 將Trevor Story安排在打線第二棒
This year, when Cora moved Story into the two-hole, the decision raised question
s internally.
今年當Cora將Story排在第二棒時,這個決定在球團內部引發了質疑
His struggles, though, eventually led to Cora dropping him in the order.
然而他的低潮表現,最終讓Cora將他往後段棒次調整
"I still think he's an everyday player," one source said. But some in the organi
zation disagreed with that evaluation.
「我仍然認為他是每天都該上場的球員」一位消息人士表示,但球團內部也有人不同意這樣
的評價
Bad start in Beantown
波士頓開季低迷
https://i.imgur.com/WSJLwuz.jpeg
The Red Sox have adopted elements of the Driveline methodology in both their pit
ching and hitting programs, hiring its founder, Kyle Boddy, to a special adviser
role.
紅襪在投打兩端都引入了Driveline的訓練理念,並聘請創辦人Kyle Boddy擔任特別顧問
Pitching coach Andrew Bailey, a close friend of Breslow's, is heavily involved i
n that approach, emphasizing data-driven concepts and throwing hard in the strik
e zone.
投手教練 Andrew Bailey(與Breslow關係密切)深度參與這套體系,強調以數據為導向,
以及在好球帶內強力投球
But the hitting approach was met with some pause, given the roster construction.
John Soteropulos was promoted to Red Sox hitting coach after Cora's firing. His
background is rooted in Driveline.
但考量到現有陣容結構,打擊端的策略則引發了一些疑慮,John Soteropulos在Cora被解職
後升任打擊教練,其背景同樣來自Driveline體系
Breslow and Driveline emphasize pulling the ball in the air, but some in the org
anization questioned whether that approach fit the current group of hitters.
Breslow與Driveline強調將球拉打並打向空中,但球團內部有人質疑這樣的打法是否適合目
前這批打者
"If we're telling the truth, a lot of the [young guys] don't buy into any of tha
t shit," one person familiar with the situation said
「老實說很多年輕球員其實並不買帳這一套」一位知情人士表示
Inexperience within the coaching staff was also cited as a concern. While Drivel
ine's impact is growing across the sport, some questioned whether the experience
level of those implementing it aligned with the demands of major-league roles.
教練團經驗不足也被視為一大隱憂,儘管Driveline在整個棒球界的影響力持續擴大,但有
人質疑實際執行這套體系的人,是否具備符合大聯盟要求的經驗
The fallout between Cora and the organization had been building for some time, a
nd the slow start only magnified the disconnect and accelerated the decision.
Cora與球團之間的裂痕其實已累積一段時間,而開季低迷只是放大了這種分歧,並加速了最
終決定的到來
"I think Craig's back is against the wall," said one source. "If he's going to g
o down, he's going to go down his way. That's what this is all about."
「我認為Craig已經被逼到牆角了」一位消息人士表示
「如果他要倒下,也會用自己的方式倒下,這就是整件事的核心」
The players, though, are left to pick up the pieces, still trying to process wha
t happened.
然而球員們只能收拾殘局,仍在試圖消化發生的一切。
"I had five guys text me, 'what's the game plan today?'" said one former staff m
ember.
「有五個球員傳訊息問我:『今天的比賽計畫是什麼?』」一名前教練團成員說
Breslow and his group will now have to provide it
而現在,這個答案將由Breslow與他的團隊來給出
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推文 (116)
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ccl007
有責無權 有權無責
04/27 22:59
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ccl007
A-Rod跟99還有一堆強打者比較建議不追求仰角 最近安可那發
04/27 23:01
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ccl007
就很標準全壘打是安打的延伸 主要你看各個強打教學共通點
04/27 23:02
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ccl007
要求確實擊打球 (YT好幾個 算是最共通的 仰角就...嗯)
04/27 23:03
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crayon1988
都飛球革命了還有不追求仰角的?LA Sweet-Spot%列爽的?
04/27 23:11
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tylerdurdenn
紅襪問題比想像中大多了 總管先炒掉啦
04/27 23:11
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crayon1988
紅襪打者你不吃Driveline沒關係 問題是團隊進攻排27
04/27 23:12
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crayon1988
怎麼看都是制服組/教練/球員溝通都有問題吧
04/27 23:12
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tylerdurdenn
紅襪近幾年的交易看起來都不怎樣
04/27 23:13
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ccl007
有文章也有提到質疑 丟掉木屐這塊基石 結果論來看4>1
04/27 23:15
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gn00324893
就傳統保守派鬥輸了而已 沒跟上趨勢就是戰力被拉開
04/27 23:16
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maruka
Roman Anthony擊球數據是很強 但是都在地上滾 不知道是不
04/27 23:16
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maruka
是被要求拉打飛球 才讓狀態不好
04/27 23:16
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ct13579
所謂飛球革命那套也一直都有檢討的聲音,先不用當做神來
04/27 23:18
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ct13579
信奉
04/27 23:18
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frankie5566
請問什麼是driveline?
04/27 23:19
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ccl007
美國私人棒球訓練機構之一 目前最大宗 他們家的加重球
04/27 23:20
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mookiesfan
利多
04/27 23:21
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frankie5566
謝謝cc大
04/27 23:21
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ccl007
如果有慢壘要速成打擊三個月內要比賽的 我都推薦練打那個
04/27 23:21
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jocabyu
我以為在版上知道driveline是什麼已經是常識XD
04/27 23:24
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hijodedios36
仰角還是很重要 比都往地上打還好
04/27 23:26
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JohnLackey
連球都打不到 教練革命
04/27 23:29
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jorgesoler
什麼年代了還在純粹追求仰角,球路辨識能力不佳,揮
04/27 23:31
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jorgesoler
棒延伸力道不足,往上撈就變成打到球上緣鳥滾一堆,
04/27 23:31
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jorgesoler
或者被變化球騙到一堆揮空。
04/27 23:31
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jorgesoler
洗碗伯 塔克老師 都揮棒軌跡哪裡有刻意撈往天上打
04/27 23:31
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culturesky
這隊怎麼每隔幾年就會有這麼多故事,Netflix不考慮拍
04/27 23:32
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culturesky
個好幾季嗎
04/27 23:32
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MK47
希望內鬥凶一點 有人被送走 把機會給鄭 能升上來(會不會想
04/27 23:34
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MK47
的太美好)XDDD
04/27 23:34
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MK47
他們誰鬥輸我都覺得ok 只要不可調和就好XDD
04/27 23:34
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tylerdurdenn
只能說仰角或飛球革命不一定適合每位選手 像大谷就
04/27 23:35
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tylerdurdenn
很適合 raw power夠 仰角拉起來形成長打機率自然就
04/27 23:35
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tylerdurdenn
高
04/27 23:35
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tylerdurdenn
其實前兩年紅襪打擊還行 今年整個崩盤
04/27 23:36
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i4303348
看起來跟什麼訓練無關,管理層跟教練團在內鬥
04/27 23:37
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ChienEric
呃 DriveLine並不是一昧追求仰角,也不是一昧鼓勵拉打
04/27 23:37
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ChienEric
好嗎…
04/27 23:37
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ricky9696
netflix一定覺得可惜了,早知道就多拍個幾季,每年都
04/27 23:40
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ricky9696
可以製造抓馬
04/27 23:40
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Toy17
好奇NF後來還有再跟拍嗎
04/27 23:40
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darvish072
不然找3J回來帶球隊好了,喝啤酒吃炸雞打電動,爽爽
04/27 23:40
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darvish072
過文化,起碼話題性十足,戰績什麼的就不管了
04/27 23:40
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ccl007
天道紅襪 紅襪釋迦 紅襪人生 寇拉與DriveLine
04/27 23:41
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xxKWANxx
把宗哲升上去吧
04/27 23:44
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AhCheng
宗哲要看現任教練給不給,而且他下放權剩一次+紅襪左傾問
04/27 23:46
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AhCheng
題 他要競爭的是IKF,最快的方法就是季中直接當包裹賣了
04/27 23:46
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tylerdurdenn
沒啦前年出了紀錄片已經結束了 看不出個所以然 2004
04/27 23:46
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tylerdurdenn
逆轉好看多了
04/27 23:46
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hakk
這球隊真是有趣
04/27 23:47
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tylerdurdenn
前年也是不知道在打什麼
04/27 23:47
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AhCheng
拿Hamilton做舉例也不對啊,今年在酒人成績也不怎樣 前一
04/27 23:48
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AhCheng
個愛將刀背B在日職,兩個都Cora愛將 都很沒說服力
04/27 23:48
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suwagutao
樓上說的是Delbec嗎
04/27 23:53
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Arodz
先打準打強吧‼
04/27 23:54
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Neo0611
還是一句戰績不夠抓馬來湊
04/28 00:03
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amos30627
Driveline那套還是有人在質疑 畢竟執行的教練不見得經
04/28 00:21
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amos30627
驗夠
04/28 00:21
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amos30627
紅襪看起來是一團糟比梅子還爛 難怪Cora先下課
04/28 00:22
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BosRedsucks
呵
04/28 00:26
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tylerdurdenn
Dalbec超鳥 也是給一堆機會的大物
04/28 00:27
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tylerdurdenn
記得他首安就開轟 不過後來就變電風扇
04/28 00:28
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jocabyu
我記得driveline是替不同人量身打造科學分析數據欸….因
04/28 00:29
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jocabyu
此不代表都是要人追求仰角什麼的
04/28 00:29
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eellee
仰角當然重要問題是你有辦法維持初速嗎
04/28 00:38
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eellee
沒有確實擊中球又或者是揮不到球那有角度也沒用啊
04/28 00:39
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eellee
最好當然是確實擊中+仰角但如果沒有辦法的話
04/28 00:40
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eellee
那誰更重要仰角呢 還是確實擊中球呢
04/28 00:41
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jom217
洋基去年季後賽不就這個問題,大家都只想撈~結果怎樣
04/28 00:42
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ct13579
沒確實優化擊球,就是一堆不營養飛球
04/28 00:58
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wade860708
driveline照理來說是因人而異 客製化去制定每個球員
04/28 01:08
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wade860708
的打擊模型 但大方向一定是確實擊球 仰角拉高 飛球革
04/28 01:08
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wade860708
命 目前大聯盟多數球隊也是這個方向
04/28 01:08
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wade860708
用數據打造球隊 也是新世代球隊的建立方針 但這個真
04/28 01:12
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wade860708
的蠻創新 要有配合的教練跟球員 也不是這麼簡單
04/28 01:12
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marx93521
先確實擊球再追求仰角,連確實擊球都辦不好其他不用說
04/28 01:14
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marx93521
了
04/28 01:14
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redsucksndie
飛球革命X教練革命O
04/28 01:46
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zip00000
看到飛球革命我只會想到一堆阿德球...
04/28 02:38
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Iamtitlehgm
魔球不就已經用數據打造球隊了,driveline哪適合幹
04/28 02:40
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Iamtitlehgm
這事?那系統只適合用來訓練和改善球員個人吧!且這
04/28 02:40
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Iamtitlehgm
種身體數據,感覺的搭配很重要,教練沒有實操經驗要
04/28 02:40
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Iamtitlehgm
如何給出“實際”的建議?道奇的投手一下向學長學曲
04/28 02:40
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Iamtitlehgm
球快慢速搭配一下向另一學長學強化指叉球,這些等dr
04/28 02:40
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Iamtitlehgm
iveline告知再改善是要投多少比賽後?
04/28 02:40
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abc12812
紅襪這幾年不是養出一堆頂級新秀?
04/28 03:04
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abc12812
魔球只有用數據選球員 沒說用數據改造球員吧
04/28 03:07
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abc12812
而且魔球好像還覺得選球啥的是天生能力很難後天改造
04/28 03:08
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JustinIdiot
Driveline如果這麼廢 哪那麼多球員花大錢去給他們修
04/28 04:45
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Joby
結局還是贏球治百病 沒贏球哪裡都是病 到哪個國家都是
04/28 04:58
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Yjizz
球員的能力成長或是轉隊後的狀況是另外的事情
04/28 05:27
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Yjizz
能確認的就是制服組和教練團有明顯分歧
04/28 05:28
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Yjizz
說不定制服組中也有不同派系
04/28 05:28
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mlbnflnbanhl
球隊內鬥就是看老闆挺誰啦 其他的只是藉口跟說書的
04/28 05:39
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mlbnflnbanhl
材料
04/28 05:39
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abc12812
席林之前專訪也罵driveline還嗆他們根本沒打過球
04/28 06:52
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abc12812
剛好席琳也很想當教練 紅襪可以考慮請席琳來帶投手群
04/28 06:53
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polanco
樓上很壞餒
04/28 06:56
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sunnyyoung
不是創辦人就一定最會欸 魔術方塊的創造者也沒法十秒
04/28 07:32
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sunnyyoung
復原 好體系也要適合的人來帶
04/28 07:32
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Yjizz
人現在都制服組找來的 至少之後沒藉口了XD
04/28 07:44
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Yjizz
統一管理跟教練層 朝同一方向前進
04/28 07:45
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GABA
仰角會被鷹眼紀錄 數據基本分析參數之一
04/28 07:47
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yeeNeko
紀錄片沒拍這邊好可惜
04/28 07:50
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kano2525
網飛真的挑錯年份來拍紅襪了
04/28 08:55
噓
jocabyu
席林那種老害發言聽聽笑笑就好,拿個幾次WS自以為屌上天
04/28 08:58
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rick770423
只追仰角不重視確實擊球打出來的不就是大王的80分飛
04/28 10:02
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rick770423
球XDD
04/28 10:02
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rick770423
看起來飛的很高很猛實際上一點殺傷力都沒有
04/28 10:03
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SlamKai
一波連勝
04/28 10:44
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Iamtitlehgm
87樓該不會覺得選球員不是打造球隊,改造球員才是打
04/28 11:16
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Iamtitlehgm
造球隊吧?不直接選好的球員而天天去改造球員是打算
04/28 11:16
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Iamtitlehgm
贏得比賽還是賣球員賺錢?
04/28 11:16
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c251970
可惜Netflix 沒有繼續拍,這幾年感覺紅襪內部真的亂@@
04/28 11:26
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cool41723
但道奇不是教柯敬賢要把仰角打出來
04/28 12:25